my opinion about the supreme court decision regarding PASPA--

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-- is that it is unlikely to matter to many on this forum, especially in the short term, who already
have locals or offshore accounts. my reasoning is this. every state is initially looking at this
as a huge revenue producer. think of the Colorado state tax on marijuana. every state knows
that sports gambling is big business, but they don't understand how thin the margins
are except for parlays and teasers. their greed to generate significant revenue along with
the sports leagues having their hands out in addition to likely expensive oversight and
regulation costs will not make this a competitive gamble. this will be great for the squares
and outsiders who do not presently have any outs and initially will flock to bet until
they wise up or go busted. but the bigger and sharper players already have outs and know
value, will find many of these state's new offerings laughable. Delaware for example
makes a fair % return because they offer only 3 or more team parlays. their volume
isn't great because it's a poor bet. I doubt billy walters ever had any of his runners
stationed in Delaware to pick off their low hanging fruit. most states in their greed are
likely to follow a similar path (in fairness to Delaware it's all they were only allowed to offer parlays).
I expect single game wagering in many states not to be offered as low as -110.
the only hope for countering this is the major las vegas outlets like William hill, cantor, etc.
most states will consult with them on how to set up and run sports betting.
they will certainly tell the states how low the actual hold is and the best way
to make money would be to get volume by offering good odds. those initial
meetings between the states and the betting companies should be quite interesting.
here's hoping that common sense and a fair deal overcome greed and ignorance;
I doubt it but I hope i'm wrong.
 

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fully agree...when states that made marijuana ok they could have put dealers out of business but since they kept the prices the same or higher they did not. same exact thing here. like Trump says we continue to have idiots in all forms of government.
 

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i'm thinking new jersey will likely offer players the best deal, but they still
have a lot to overcome. first the state want its cut. then the racetracks
and/or casinos ( I believe this is where sports betting will be initially allowed)
will want a piece and they need money almost as bad as the state. next the
operator (betfair, William hill, etc ) will want to be able to get a fair return on
investment and their time. finally the regulatory commission will have to be funded.
imagine if the sports leagues get a cut too. what makes me think new jersey
might be competitive is this. they already have a lot of money and time invested
in this. they have big population base and in close proximity to a LOT more people.
they already share a poker pool with Nevada and I wouldn't be surprised if they
end up sharing a sports betting pool with Nevada. the model already exists.
cantor and William hill already have licensed outlets and kiosks throughout Nevada.
why not use that business model with new jersey and make them part of an interstate
network at little extra expense?
 

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No doubt it is going to be a learning process for states.

But let's not forget it will be experienced companies that will actually be running things for them.

This is also the reason offshore will not only survive but possibe thrive.

Because competition will ensue...
 

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when I walk into an Indian Casino for a gambling session, I'm certain to wonder over to the sports books for a little action.

If they make the vig to high, that'll change things, but betting and collecting the same day just as if you were in Vegas is going to be fun
 

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I’ve been told that William hill has already invest considerable time and money in getting New Jersey ready for sports betting. He believes an agreement is already in place that has been agreed upon by all the involved parties that will be attractive to everyone including the bettors. I’ll believe it when I see it
 

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i'm thinking new jersey will likely offer players the best deal, but they still
have a lot to overcome. first the state want its cut. then the racetracks
and/or casinos ( I believe this is where sports betting will be initially allowed)
will want a piece and they need money almost as bad as the state. next the
operator (betfair, William hill, etc ) will want to be able to get a fair return on
investment and their time. finally the regulatory commission will have to be funded.
imagine if the sports leagues get a cut too. what makes me think new jersey
might be competitive is this. they already have a lot of money and time invested
in this. they have big population base and in close proximity to a LOT more people.
they already share a poker pool with Nevada and I wouldn't be surprised if they
end up sharing a sports betting pool with Nevada. the model already exists.
cantor and William hill already have licensed outlets and kiosks throughout Nevada.
why not use that business model with new jersey and make them part of an interstate
network at little extra expense?

For some reason you seem to think this all hasn't been already talked about. NJ already has a division of gaming enforcement. No commission needs funded.

The state already knows their cut. (Gross revenue from sports wagering at casinos and tracks will be subject to an eight percent tax. Online sports betting revenue is taxed at a rate of 12.5 percent. Casinos also pay an additional “investment alternative tax.”)


They're taking bets on Memorial Day weekend.

All that is left to do is pass legislation authorizing wagering at other locations other than Monmouth park (including mobile apps).
 

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most states are happy to let NJ be the guinea pig. many of their tracks and casinos already had sports books that were ready to convert and Monmouth will have this thing ready in 2 weeks.

states like PA, my state, will be douches about it and this will go nowhere. Right now if someone wants to run a book in PA they are looking at a $10M license fee and 36% revenue tax. uh, yeah, thanks PA....

listened to VSIN this morning and these operators will have an online presence but you will not be able to bet outside of your state. So if you are NJ resident and have an account in NJ you will not be locked out if you logon from outside of NJ. interesting to see how that works
 

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when I walk into an Indian Casino for a gambling session, I'm certain to wonder over to the sports books for a little action.

If they make the vig to high, that'll change things, but betting and collecting the same day just as if you were in Vegas is going to be fun
This is what I'm looking forward to. Being someone who has gambled for 20 years with a local, laying cash to make cash will be a new experience.
I've been to Vegas like 3 times so never really had that much experience with it.
 

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One interesting wrinkle with NJ: This is from *draft* legislation: "Bans wagering on college events that take place in New Jersey, or on college events involving a New Jersey-based school."
 

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most states are happy to let NJ be the guinea pig. many of their tracks and casinos already had sports books that were ready to convert and Monmouth will have this thing ready in 2 weeks.

states like PA, my state, will be douches about it and this will go nowhere. Right now if someone wants to run a book in PA they are looking at a $10M license fee and 36% revenue tax. uh, yeah, thanks PA....

listened to VSIN this morning and these operators will have an online presence but you will not be able to bet outside of your state. So if you are NJ resident and have an account in NJ you will not be locked out if you logon from outside of NJ. interesting to see how that works



Yeah, don't know why Pa stuck out those high numbers......maybe they don't really want betting? I just don't see how they wouldn't. Maybe some retard came up with those numbers.

I think they will write up the regulations & pass a new tax rate much less than 34%.......if we don't have legal betting in Pa by football season, then I will continue with my locals......but I don't see Pa sitting on the sidelines for the football season, while NJ & Delaware are bringing in the money.
 

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I’ve been told that William hill has already invest considerable time and money in getting New Jersey ready for sports betting. He believes an agreement is already in place that has been agreed upon by all the involved parties that will be attractive to everyone including the bettors. I’ll believe it when I see it



They just announce on CNBC that Monmouth will be taking bets May 28th, Memorial day weekend.
 

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Yeah, don't know why Pa stuck out those high numbers......maybe they don't really want betting? I just don't see how they wouldn't. Maybe some retard came up with those numbers.

I think they will write up the regulations & pass a new tax rate much less than 34%.......if we don't have legal betting in Pa by football season, then I will continue with my locals......but I don't see Pa sitting on the sidelines for the football season, while NJ & Delaware are bringing in the money.


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Eventually Nevada will run this whole thing. It will not be a month before states start having to make the hard decisions.
 

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One interesting wrinkle with NJ: This is from *draft* legislation: "Bans wagering on college events that take place in New Jersey, or on college events involving a New Jersey-based school."


no different than not being able to bet on unlv games right?
 

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id love a super contest to be ran here in atlantic city. thats my only hope for this bill being passed
 

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I agree that it's not a big money maker for the states, as far as tax revenue. They are in for a wake up call if they are expecting revenues from this to be substantial. But what it will do is bring people in to the casinos, it will create jobs.
 

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Offshore offers: less than -110 odds- depending on your book, deposit bonus, cashback bonus, buying off the 7 and 3 in football, and buying multiple points in baskets

Vegas doesnt offer any of that at most places so no reason to think the states will.
 

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I want to see if I understand this correctly. NJ is taking 8% of the gross bet as a tax?
that's obscene but not shocking if true.
 

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